Firecat, Machine coffee was always OK with me, maybe 'cause I didn't know any better in my twenties or I had never seen the miracle of birth and death in a coffee cup before then. One morning at coffeebreak my coworkers and I lined up at the coffee machine to get our much needed fix of caffeine. Everyone got their coffee and returned to the shop to talk and cajole each other. All except one, Goodie was late. We had all just about finished our coffee when we heard Goodie cursing in the next room where the coffee machine was located. We went to see what he was so upset about. He held up his cup and floating in the coffee were two baby mice. He said "Hope you enjoyed your coffee this morning." That's why to this day I don't do machine coffee. At least not very often. wdat12