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Steve Shaw wrote: Wow, don't you just LOVE the little Englander hubris here? Negotiate what? With whom? From what position of strength, like wot we 'ave not got? We piss the EU off, the EU wot is eight times bigger than us, and depend on deals that'll take years to seal with countries that aren't interested in us and don't need us, and you think that all that'll be better than wot we 'ave now?   Pie in the sky! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

Once again the "Little Englader" sneer. Is that the best you've got? It's not very good. Obviously I don't expect an ultra communist lefty to understand this but the arguement is based on something called the 'profit motive'.

When the Germans sell us a car it costs them, let's say, X amount of money to produce and they sell it to us for X plus a little bit. Actually it's more likely to be X plus quite a big bit. That big, or little bit is their profit. They use that profit to employ a workforce, maintain their infrastructure, buy supplies and pay their taxes. After all that there should be a surplus, some of which will be a return to investors.

OK, the day after a No Deal Brexit. Is the EU going to say to the UK "We will no longer sell you our BMWs and Mercs. Take that!"

If they do, the result will be that they will have less moeny, because we have not bought their cars, and we will have more money, because we have not bought their cars. Who hurts more? Who has the better bargaining position?

I honestly don't expect you to get it. Apparently the left thinks that all money grows on trees and you just pluck it when you want it. Good luck with that.