Here it is, Jim. You are very good at missing what was said and I accept your apology. Fortunately I am very good at remembering what was said and when.

I do know what I believe to be a folk song and you can look me up performing some at Swinton if you like. It may not agree with your definition but it is the best I can do. I am more than happy to accept other peoples definitions while fully understanding that no single one of them is the full picture. Can you say the same?

Please note that the phrase that I am more than happy to accept other people's definitions includes the 1954 one and yours.

As to insults, perceived or otherwise, need I point out to you that the venom you pour out on folk club organisers is particularly insulting to a whole set of people, including me until 5 years ago. These are the people who give their time, and often their money, freely to help to maintain the tradition, only to be told by you that they are making a rubbish job of it.

You cannot or will not support your case with examples while ignoring the examples of fine traditional music presented here. What are we to think?