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Thread #165455   Message #3970552
Posted By: Iains
08-Jan-19 - 09:23 AM
Thread Name: BS: Refugees and asylum seekers
Subject: RE: BS: Refugees and asylum seekers
Now - unless you are prepared to dispute any of this with anything other than persona abuse, please take your racist stereotyping elsewhere
Jim Carroll


Claim "Traveller lifestyle is a fact and has been for thousands of years"
An estimated time of divergence between the settled population and Travellers was set at a minimum of 8 generations ago, with generations at 30 years, hence 240 years and a maximum of 14 generations or 420 years ago. The best fit was estimated at 360 years ago, giving an approximate date in the 1650s.

Claim:Traveller crimes are largely ones of need rather than of acquisition.
A crime is a crime. Traveller Men are between five and 11 times more likely to be jailed while, for women, it's 18 to 22 times more likely.
The statistics speak for themselves.
Claim:Domestic abuse idf a nationwide major problem as is child poverty and neglect - now reaching crisis point in the poorer arts of the UK
61% of married English Gypsy women and 81% of Irish Travellers had experienced domestic abuse.
In the wider community, The UK Living with Abuse organisation quotes statistics from the British Crime Survey Statistical Bulletin that domestic abuse “will affect one in four women and one in six men in their lifetime”.(25% and 16.6%) A hugely significant disparity.
claim:Childeren are far better cared for in Traveller communities because they have retained the importance of the family farmor strongly than has happened in the settled communities
This is why Infant mortality rates for traveller children are 3.6 times higher than the rest of the population. Traveller women are more than three times as likely to miscarry or have a stillborn child as other pregnant Irish women.Travellers are more likely than members of the settled community to die from any given complaint. In particular, Travellers’ health is affected by accidents, metabolic disorders in the under 14 age group, respiratory ailments and some congenital disorders. It is estimated that 1% of Irish Travellers carry genetic disorders which may result in health risks for children of consanguine relationships. These disorders are common to the settled population, but occur in the Traveller population at a greater rate.There is also a culture among Traveller men to consult Traveller women about health related issues, rather than visit a doctor or hospital. Currently only 13 per cent of Traveller children complete secondary school, compared with 92 per cent of the general population.
Claim:A few years ago, a rogue Traveller family hit the headlines with it's supposed "slave" practices,
Eleven members of an Traveller family with Irish roots have been jailed in the UK for violently exploiting at least 18 victims of modern slavery.

The Rooney family, who were based on Traveller sites in Lincoln, targeted homeless people and men with learning disabilities to work and live in squalid conditions for up to 26 years. Their offences were described in court as “chilling in their mercilessness”
The victims were kept in caravans without running water or toilet facilities, Nottingham Crown Court heard, while their captors wore Rolex watches, drove expensive cars and lived in gleaming homes that were “palatial in comparison” to their workers’ conditions.
Judge Timothy Spencer said the difference in their lives was “akin to the gulf between medieval royalty and the peasantry” as he jailed 11 members of the family for up to 15 years on Tuesday.
I do believe the sentencing gave the lie to "supposed" and judged it to be a reality, despite your dissembling.