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Thread #165455   Message #3970563
Posted By: Iains
08-Jan-19 - 10:45 AM
Thread Name: BS: Refugees and asylum seekers
Subject: RE: BS: Refugees and asylum seekers
Claim: Travellers have been identified as existing apart from the settled communities as far back as over 1000 years ago.
Wrong! Your previous claim was "Traveller lifestyle is a fact and has been for thousands of years" I see you carefully overlook your previous statement of supposed fact.
In 2011, researchers at the Royal College of Surgeons in Dublin and the University of Edinburgh analyzed DNA samples from 40 Travellers. The study provided evidence that Irish Travellers are a distinct Irish ethnic minority, who have been distinct from the settled Irish community for at least 1000 years. But!!!!
In 2017 a further genetic study using profiles of 50 Irish Travellers, 143 European Roma, 2232 settled Irish, 2039 British and 6255 European or worldwide individuals confirmed ancestral origin within the general Irish population. An estimated time of divergence between the settled population and Travellers was set at a minimum of 8 generations ago, with generations at 30 years, hence 240 years and a maximum of 14 generations or 420 years ago. The best fit was estimated at 360 years ago, giving an approximate date in the 1650s. This date coincides remarkably well with the final destruction of Gaelic society following the 1641 Rebellion and during the Wars of the Three Kingdoms in which Cromwell's forces devastated the country.
(note the dates of the two claims and the size of sample:)
2011   40    samples
2017   10,719 samples

That's what I said- one family
NO what you said was::A few years ago, a rogue Traveller family hit the headlines with it's supposed "slave" practices,

Can you not remember what you said previously? Why deny it, everyone can see what you said above


How far do you want to take this?
As far as it takes for you to check your facts, post accurately and desist from the constant abuse and accusations of racism.