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Thread #56224   Message #3974754
Posted By: GUEST,Ken from Smithfield, RI
04-Feb-19 - 12:11 AM
Thread Name: Epithet for English Immigrants in Song?
Subject: RE: Epithet for English Immigrants in Song?
My paternal grandfather's parents came from Idle and Eccleshill in Bradford, Yorkshire, EN to the Benn Mill at Greystone (where their son and daughter were born) in North Providence, RI.

Whilst great-grandmother Ethel ran the fish and chip takeaway and was a washerwoman at the mill, great-grandfather Archie was a milkman in Cranston as well as a jeweler in Providence.

Each of six generations in a row have been given Scotch names like Archie, Alan and Kenneth, a cultural reason probably because of York being the old capital of Northumbria and Scots kings taking our old earldom as their fief in homage to the King of England (re: Braveheart and cf. Normandy regarding France). I read elsewhere online that the name "Jickie" might be from "Jock", as in Jacques, from the most common Scotch name being James, which is a version of Jacob.

On the ship's manifest, our family took the SS Ivernia from Liverpool to Boston and the destination was Slater's Mill in Pawtucket, RI, but we somehow ended up in Benn's Mill in North Providence, RI as well as Appinaug Mill in Warwick.

Our contact in Lancaster, EN was my grandfather's father's uncle Robert and the one in Roxbury, MA, was my grandfather's father's aunt Adelaide. My father's mother's side and my mother's side are colonial Yankees from Providence and Cumberland.

According to Mary H. Blewett's biography of author Hedley Smith, we're "Yankee Yorkshiremen" and the Woonasquatucket Valley is "Briardale".

According to Dr. Fischer of Brandeis University, Quakerism that typified RI apart from Baptists, largely derived from York or Lancaster and shires in the valley of the Trent, but the only churches I know we went to, were St Albans in Centredale, St Thomas in Greenville and a Community of Christ (aka Reorganized Church of LDS, or Missouri Mormon) mission in Providence.

We've since embraced Greystone Methodist, but I've opened up further to Greenville Baptist in recognition of my colonial ancestors. I'm not sure how our family would have been ethnically isolated within the mill village, since my father and I, both born in Providence, are integrated by our mothers with native American English families from the 1630s and Providence cofounder William Harris is an ancestor of mine due to that. We're not just British English anymore, so does "Jickie" still apply to us now?

Google book link

Google book link

That book, if you'll search the terms within the Methodist Review, compared Yankees, Yorkshiremen and Aberdeen Scots with Jews, for some odd reason, probably steeped in the "British Israelism" of that time, being 1893. I believe that the argument is for a common sense of native wit and value in education found among all noted, but it's true that all these groups likely formed the largely Republican and non-Roman Catholic populations of RI (the Democratic majority now being Irish, Quebec, Italian, Portuguese).

Graniteville Baptist is the point of contact for my father's family with RI colonial faith. Dad's mother's family are Episcopalian and Mom's Nazarene, so Puritanism isn't strong on any side of my family, if it ever was. I value our total Protestant heritage anyway.

Micks, Frogs, Guineas, Portagees and Polacks: Micks and Frogs walk a fine line between Protestant Republican and Roman Catholic Democrat, because of history with English and Scottish, German and Dutch, whereas Jews align even more foreign than the rest.

I meant my great-grandfather's milk and eggs delivery was in Johnston, whereas Dad's parents' factory Universal Engravers was in Cranston. Their fathers were jewelers in Providence. Mom's parents, Nazarene and Church of God, wed at St John's in Ashton, Cumberland. Dad and Mom wed at Woonsocket Nazarene, but raised us Methodist, Pentecostal and Baptist. Dad went to the Northeastern University for Manufacturing Engineering and brought my sister and I up in the YMCA. He was a Scout, as were we. Profile us as "Jickies"...?

Dr Fischer also wrote that John was the most common name on the Anglo-Scottish border and this accounts for so many Johnsons, Johnstons and Jacksons; the truth being that Andrew and Lyndon Baines Johnson as well as Andrew Jackson all derived from such families. It's possible that Jickie is like Jackie, such as Irish Jackie Gleason, so the name might've come from Jack out of John and not Jake, since Scots go by Jimmy rather than Jacob or James (except their kings, like the King James Bible namesake). Don't forget the Jacobite Highlanders.

My first forefather to go by our surname, was named John, who moved us to Catterick in the time of Braveheart. I've seen John only three other times within nuclear kinship and only once directly in since the late 17th century. Was John as common for North Englishmen, as elsewhere in English society? I've never seen Jack in census records, whether or not those christened John were actually called Jack or just John. I'm not sure where in England Jack and Jill or Jack and the Beanstalk are from, but Little John was a Yorkshireman.

Andrew Jackson's ancestors left Yorkshire for Ulster and the Carolinas, whereas the kin of both Andrew Johnson and LBJ came directly from the Anglo-Scottish Border to Virginia. John and Jack are equally local to the North. I'm not sure how to get to the bottom of this etymological mystery and the truth may be, that multiple sources conflate within the term "Jicky", whether Jake or Jack, just as Johnston may be derived from both Johnson and Johnstown.

I'm not convinced in Portuguese origin, because English folks don't worry about slurs of Wogs like the Papist Portagee or Guinea and there is no point in Nativist WASPs using a foreign term from them to label fellow WASPs. RI was an English colony like Nova Scotia and New England a Dominion like Canada, so whether or not English came before or after the Revolution, we would identify with whatever specific one of the 13 Colonies or States we settled down in first, regardless if the Romanists still identify with the "old country".

My point is that, the origin of "Jicky" is no more a foreign loan word than Cracker or Redneck. Indeed, South County colonial families are called "Swamp Yankees", because of their home in the Great Swamp of Kingstown, where they fought a war against King Philip, the Spanish Armada nickname given to Indian scalper and pyromaniac terrorist Metacomet. It's possible that Jicky may even relate to the etymology of Yankee itself, which supposedly came from the Dutch of New Netherland calling my maternal kinsmen "Jan Kees", as in "John Cheese".

I got the Dutch theory wrong. Perhaps Dutchmen of New York being called Yankees, would have been extended to actual old Yorkshiremen, in the form of Jickies, as a joke from word association. The funny thing is, Dutchmen had more in common with old Jersey than the Swedes to their South, whereas Swedes would've had likewise, greater ties to old York than they. Whatever American conditions may have confused about placenames and ethnic association, Anglo-Dutch Robinson Crusoe of York was written by Dutch Daniel Defoe when he knew better.

I must correct myself again. Whereas Defoe was a Whig supporter of William of Orange, there is no evidence of he himself being Dutch. Robinson Crusoe would have had more in common with the Pennsylvania Dutch aka Palatine Germans (including Sophia of Hanover and her Georgian, Victorian, Windsorian descendents) and his story set in New York, than old York. If there was contemporary confusion between societies in old and New York, as well as between Deutsche and Dutch in his own time, then further distortion by wordplay in a game of telephone many generations later, just might have led to overlaps between Yankee and Jickie. I'm going the extra mile to extrapolate what cannot apparently be definitely explained with proof, but it fills a void like nothing else offered thus far.