Ok, got it, Jim. I am happy with that and I assume from your last line that it does include "pop songs, music hall songs, stage songs.." that have "been subjected to the folk process."

If that is the case then there are many such songs that have been given the folk treatment by different communities and clubs while in other communities they have not been given the same treatment. That is where it gets complicated and contentious. In my old club, for instance, the song "Blue Moon" was given the treatment and over the course of 20 or 30 years it has become, as far as Swinton is concerned, a folk song. IE a song of the Swinton Folk community. I have now moved to Skipton where the song is not a folk song, but others like it may be.

Complicated init! Little wonder the discussions are seemingly endless :-)

PMd you about another matter BTW.