BTW Joe, I too remember the WeBeLoS meaning of the ranks, but I remember the other as well, or something very similar to it because I thought even then that the rank thing made no sense, if it did it would be WoBeLiS. I may be wrong in the words I remember it meaning, but it DID have another, even back then. I would never have bought off on the Wolf-Bear-Lion-Scout thing even as a kid!Spaw