I wonder how he's so sure that Leo didn't have a thought until he published an encyclical

Conversely, I wonder how you're so arrogantly sure that he did, Joe, if you care to explore "distressing certitude". And why do you ignore the role of Cardinal Manning?

Besides, I believe what was under discussion was what Leo actually DID and SAID, not what Leo THOUGHT. Catholic social teaching & doing, rather.

There is no exact date - it was a matter of evolution.

You're the one that proposed an exact date to begin with, Joe.

I didn't forget the UN speech at all, Joe. That was in 1965 - and Paul didn't say or do s**t after that. Casualties up to Oct. 1965 ca. 170,000, and after ca. 1.5 million. Good old Paul- What a guy!

And now, following your gratuitous insults and personal attacks, we return to our regularly scheduled program: