You were obviously not there,so you can't possibly claim you know what was said

I doin't need to know what was said. I know that discussions do not constitute poisitive proof of anything.

You can't even agree among yourselves

There isn't an ourselves. You are, or should be, addressing points that I am making. I have not spoken on behalf of anyone else and no one, as far as I know, has spoken for me.

Not one of you have put forward an alternative definition you can agree on

I am not arguing about any definition. I am saying that your statement "the main thing was moving away from the type of song that brought us together in the first place" is your opinion of why the number of folk clubs declined. Not a fact. You know this to be true so you are trying to cloud the issue.

Stick to the point. Where is your proof that "the main thing was moving away from the type of song that brought us together in the first place" is the main cause of what is wrong on the folk scene.