You're a saintly man, Mike. My grandad was, and at least one of my cousins still is, a fervent Man U supporter. I didn't care for Fergie at all, not ever, but I've always secretly wanted United to do only very slightly less well than Liverpool. What you need is another Eric. That's a great yarn about Shanks. Apparently, he once said that Merseyside had two great teams: Liverpool, and Liverpool reserves. :-)