Skoda, Renault and Fiat for all their faults were competitive. Something that British Leyland or whatever it was called at the time never were. And I am English working class. Have worked for the last 49.5 years without a break and retired last Friday. Can you tell me where to collect my rose coloured glasses or are those reserved for "performers, songwriters and teachers of guitar". Hardly a working class CV.

Iains. I have had enough of addressing numpties for one day. I think I will do something more productive like counting clouds or pushing sand up my nose. But as a final act of care in the community I will point out that
1) The thread was started on the premise that the Labour party is letting down its voters. They are doing no such thing as the survey points out.
2) If you believe the survey is inaccurate, point us to a better indicator and
3) There is no such thing as a naughty step. Posts deemed inappropriate are deleted. But you know that don't you.