"Of course the electorate has the opportunity to dismiss the so called 'cheats and liars' every 5 years or even less than that. "
Has it ?
Elections are won on promises that are never kept - ever
If you base your system on that fact nothing changes whoever wins
THat system now stands to be replaced by a Prime minister who considers it to be his right to veride that flawed system and has declared he intends to over-ride a vote he disagrees with - a step away from democracy
The argue that "that's what the people voted for" is a totally fallacious on coming fom people who have a track record of holding the peoples' opinions and rights in contempt
I would love Nigel and Stanton to lay out exactly why they wish to leave - where do they want Britain (if there is to remain such an entity) to go and how it is going to get there - at lease both of them have confined their postings to to the question in hand
Personally, I don't believe Britain to be ready for Independence yet (to borrow a phrase from the days of a dying Empire)
Jim Carroll