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Thread #165570   Message #4006284
Posted By: Stanron
28-Aug-19 - 06:57 PM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
Steve Shaw wrote: Well done, Stanron, for swallowing hook, line and sinker the disingenuous and dishonest claptrap of the Johnson regime. Prorogation can be for one day. The Queen's Speech can follow the next day. But prorogation is lasting nearly FIVE WEEKS. It's blatantly obvious to all bar the brain-dead that this move is a kneejerk reaction to the unity shown by all opposition parties yesterday, who declared that they wanted to take the thoroughly democratic, legislative path towards trying to prevent A NO-DEAL BREXIT. Not brexit, Stanron: A NO-DEAL BREXIT. That which not one person in this country thought they were voting for, not even you if you're honest. If you have the Tory numbers in the House, Stanron, then what are you afraid of? If you haven't got the Tory numbers, you know why? Because some of your side will defect. Not our side, Stanron, yours. Without Tories, we haven't got the numbers. Without defectors from you Tories, we can't do it. It's what we call Parliamentary democracy, Stanron, that thing that you lot are supposedly trying to rescue from the clutches of the EU. But it's there and useful only when it suits you, it seems. Open your eyes, old boy. You and your side are the ones in all this suffering from the severest form of democratic deficit. We want our ELECTED representatives to have their say. You want your UNELECTED leader to stop them. Ironic, really, when you've been rattling on for three years about how undemocratic the EU is, eh?
Well done, Steve Shaw, for swallowing hook, line and sinker the disingenuous and dishonest claptrap of the Labour party line.

It's blatantly obvious to all bar the brain-dead that this move is a kneejerk reaction to the attempt at unity shown by all opposition parties yesterday, who failed to take a thoroughly undemocratic, legislative path towards trying to prevent brexit. Not A NO-DEAL BREXIT, Steve. They want to prevent any kind of Brexit.

I don't claim to be a mind reader and don't know why other people voted as they did. I know I voted to leave the EU and ALL it's institutions.

If you have the betrayal numbers in the House, Steve, then what are you afraid of? If you haven't got the betrayal numbers, you know why? Because some of your side will defect. Not just our side, Steve, yours too. The whole two or three year mess is a result of neither side having the numbers.

Parliamentary democracy, Steve, has already passed the laws that say we leave the EU after Halloween, with or without an agreement. With your attempts to prevent this happening, you and your side are the ones who are suffering from the severest form of democratic deficit. We want the decisions of our ELECTED representatives to be implemented. You want your UNELECTED coalition to stop them. Ironic, really, when you've been rattling on for three years about how democratic the EU is, eh?