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Thread #166609   Message #4010650
Posted By: Iains
26-Sep-19 - 11:04 AM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
I'm getting fed up of saying this. The nonsense about fears of a "European army" was one of the many lies propagated during the leave campaign, and, though I've mentioned this umpteen times here, it's depressing to see the lie still being told in this thread (cf post of 01.57pm yesterday). So here it is again: the European Commission can't propose a European army, no matter what the expressed aspirations of EU leaders are. It is beyond its remit.

Not nonsense, not a lie, FACT:An Advisory Mission in Iraq, a Military Training Mission in the Central African Republic, a Maritime Operation in the Mediterranean and an Assistance Mission in Ukraine are among the most recent additions to over 30 civilian missions and military operations launched by the EU since the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP) became a reality almost 15 years ago.EU Factsheet

1)Opening Statement in the European Parliament Plenary Session by Ursula von der Leyen, Candidate for President of the European Commission
I believe Europe should have a stronger and more united voice in the world – and it needs to act fast. That is why we must have the courage to take foreign policy decisions by qualified majority. And to stand united behind them.

The cornerstone of our collective defence will always be NATO. We will stay transatlantic and we have to become more European. This is why we created the European Defence Union. Our work for our European Union of security and defence is embedded in comprehensive security. Stabilisation always comes with diplomacy, reconciliation and reconstruction.

Our servicemen and servicewomen work side by side with police officers, diplomats and development aid workers. These men and women deserve our utmost respect and recognition for their tireless service for Europe.


Let us revisit the question in 10 years and see who is right and who is wrong. The EU defence force already exists in all but name. Even a
unified command and control structure is only just over the horizon If Brexit finally occurs all the above will race ahead.
I look forward to seeing your retraction and apology for calling me a liar