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Thread #166609   Message #4010753
Posted By: Iains
27-Sep-19 - 05:39 AM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit 'Take Back Control' D Cummings
while the UK is a member of the EU, there can be no EU army. Anyone can check this. No need to elaborately resort to straw-clutching links that are virtually unreadable. So there. Why do I bother.
It already exists in all but name. Military operations occur that are EU badged.
How long do you think the individual veto is going to last?

Ursula von der Leyen, President of the European Commission
"....... That is why we must have the courage to take foreign policy decisions by qualified majority."

Do you seriously think it will end with just that? It is the thin end of the wedge. Below an old article but nothing has really changed.

At the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is a plaque with these words:

    “National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”
They were written by Philip Kerr, later the Marquess of Lothian, who was a British diplomat and arch-appeaser in the build up to the Second World War.

Guy Verhofstadt (at the LibDem conference)
“In the world order of tomorrow, the world order of tomorrow is not a world order based on nation states or countries, it’s a world order that is based on Empires

Those rose tinted glasses you insist on wearing are doing you a great disservice! It seems pretty obvious to me that complete federalism is the end game, with all that it entails. There is plenty of disseminated data floating about in cyberspace that can be pieced together to see what the varlets are up to. You just require the nous to gather it up and ponder! The drawback of having a particular political persuasion is that it infects you with tunnel vision dictated by the party line. It will sleepwalk you into a nightmare.
Take a look about, smell the coffee and try thinking for yourself.