Spaw, I can understand cat veterans (compared to me, at least) are fed up with this flaming stuff... just keep cool and ignore threads like this... everytime you get angry there is some little creep sniggering, because he gets what he wanted. So what? If guest eleonore is real having a problem with singers, she gets advice. If some a**hole ignites his flame thrower, and no-one reacts agressive he soon will stop it because there 's no fun anymore. You know, it's the old "the other cheek" game. Just lean back, click out of the thread and get you some new beer from the fridge. you will soon find out your liver lasts longer this way *G*