It is a definition, Jim, regardless of what you say it is. It is how I define folk song and of course it is personal, it is mine. I don't expect anyone to abide by it or even agree with it. As Ray said earlier, "WE must NOT be led like a bull by its nose, folk music simply as stated by Folk music presenters is not always folk music". I would add that folk music simply as stated by anyone is not always the full picture either.

But I do not believe we are wasting our time. You said my definition was partly true and I asked which bit(s). Let's start from common ground and work up from there. I expect we will agree about a lot more than you think.