Think I misunderstood you Baccie
If you were talking just about the clubs, my experiance spreads over three major British cities and things that have been argued for as 'folk clubs' on this forum and in some now defunct magazines (I believe Froots went belly-up recently)
Not only is the Trad scene dying but some here seem to be saying 'good riddance - it's no longer a valid music'
Your point about a trad club being forced to change it's policy rather makes my point - from a folk club to a bums-on-seats club
Whatever the reason, it's no longer a folk club - I suggest that maybe my poing anot people coming to hear Sam Larner and being given Jarvis Cocker might have somethign to do with it
Those things tebd to happen when bums-on-seats becomes an issue - you really can't please 'em all Grand Opera founs themselves having to sit through big lumps of Taylor Swift
Pretty soon they's piss of elsewhere
Ireland has never really had a folk club scene
I wonder how the regs at the ROH would react if, they came to listen o

Dave
Not interested until you start answering basic questions -
Your point about Ed Shearan's un-folk-like repetitive, non narrative songs where the characters are shadows and cyphers makes my point perfectly
Instead of ducking and diving - what are your objections to my arguments - if there are none, why do you spend so long opposing what I say ?
Where would you send a newbie inquiring where they could learn about your brand of folk songs
I'll keep asking this as long as you keep ignoring it
Jim