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Thread #165570   Message #4013617
Posted By: Steve Shaw
14-Oct-19 - 10:38 AM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit #3: A futile gesture?
We democratically elect our own government. We do not provide seats in the Commons or Lords for foreign appointees. We make all our own domestic law. We are fully masters of our own taxation system and our own justice system. Whatever EU regulations we adopt, we fully agree with almost all of them and would have adopted most of them even had we never been members. About one percent of our GDP is tied up with the EU and 99% isn't. We can trade with anyone in the world, and we do so when it's advantageous to do so. If the EU wants to make major changes that we don't like, we can use our veto.

If we leave the EU our trading relationships all over the world will be different but we will still be able to trade with anyone, subject to their mutual consent of course. We will no longer have to adopt EU laws and regulations but will in most cases continue to do so, in most cases voluntarily but in any case if we wish to continue to trade with them. The EU currently outstrips our next biggest trading partner by a factor of almost three, and I've yet to see a queue of nations rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of increasing their trade with us. I suppose there's still something of a market for Swiss cuckoo clocks. That new-found freedom will coincide with losses of freedoms in other trading relationships as we will have to agree to different standards, often lower ones. Our obligations to NATO and the UN will remain unchanged, but obligations they still are. And the EU will be able to make changes that we don't like, such as founding an EU army, that they can't make while we are members.

As members of the EU we enjoy an equal to or greater degree of self-determination than almost any other nation on Earth. As ex-members we will struggle to find trading relationships as fruitful as our current ones. As such, we will have to make many a compromise if our economy isn't to collapse. If self-determination means freedom to sink, then I advise the little Englanders who constantly make this desperately bogus argument to think again.