So Doug, do you believe that the children of prisoners should have less human rights than other children? it should be up to families to decide when they want access, not the penal system. Iains, I never mentioned the right of prisoners to be able to see their families 24/7, but the fundamental human right for families not to be denied access to prisoners. As a society we should be putting the rights of families first and the penal system second. To deny this is nothing short of child abuse.