Sorry Steve G if you're still here, I've had no Internet.Thank's for responding to my post,but your response was so vague as to have little value.What is your mates understanding of the "wider world meaning ? What's the consensus, where are the boundaries, if there are non then we're talking about music, undefined. Folk Clubs are few and far between . I can do a 50 mile round trip to get to one, then I have to listen to someone singing Dock of the Bay, worst still they have to listen to me singing a Child ballad. There's no musical reason why we should be in the same room. How many CDs would John Howson sell if he did a compilation of Ottis Redding, Nioclás ó Tóibin, Herman's Hermits and Emma Vickers. I can see the argument for and against Broadsides being part of the Folk process but Bob Marley and the Beatles,we're not talking broad church this is Vatican friggin City. My apologies if this seems a bit blunt. I'm not too good expressing myself in print.