Steve:

Thanks for the explication. I don't agree with you but I understand you slightly more better. Might be worthwhile putting together a thread on Marxism as its own subject. I don't know if I'm up to it. My main point which I'm sure you understood was to the matter of perception. "Get Brexit Done" is as you said stupidly dense but it is also genius in its encapsulated appeal. To quote Mel Brooks from one of his bits "I said 'It's too simple. I didn't know then it was eloquent.'"

Iains:

Normally when you get criticized by the usual gang (not me) it's for simply stating a case that many folks in this forum disagree with. But now you are simply crowing over a perceived 'win' rather than explaining WHY it is a win or examining why it might indeed be pyrrhic (Winning the argument while the UK becomes the nonK).

You're all mostly stuck together on an island. Make it a proud island and not a messy lifeboat. You know 'Keep calm and carry on' and all that.