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Thread #167191   Message #4029302
Posted By: Steve Shaw
20-Jan-20 - 06:18 PM
Thread Name: BS: UK politics
Subject: RE: BS: UK politics
No thanks. I tend not to seek information on tbe EU from a channel that is backed by an undemocratic, anti-European country. Or the Daily Mail, Express, Murdoch press or criminal bloggers. It's hard to get information that is true and accurate. The only way is to seek out multiple sources that are at least respectable enough to not conflate comment with news, unlike all the ones I've just mentioned, be as sceptical as you can, and come to your own honest conclusion. Falling prey to confirmation bias is also a bad idea. Jumping on what someone or other who, against the general consensus, predicts the collapse of the EU, when you are an inveterate leaver, is exactly that. As for Corbyn and his changing stance on the EU (which actually happened to me too, though I beat Jeremy to it by a few years), I'm getting less and less interested as his influence wanes. Going back obsessively over past issues of this kind has already poisoned this forum. Just to repeat. Corbyn supported remain in the referendum campaign though he criticised the campaign and, as he's always done, he highlighted the shortcomings of the EU. Then he voted remain. His position is and was respectable, considered and measured, and not ideologically fixed, as evidenced by the fact that his stance evolved over decades as circumstances changed, which is more than can be said for the ideological troglodytes of the ERG, for example. It was a damn sight more thoughtful than that of the braying masses who insisted that their little cross on the ballot paper represented their views on a whole mass of complex issues that they not only didn't understand but, in many cases, didn't even know existed. If that isn't good enough for you, or if you want to keep digging it up, as if every bloody member of the party thinks the same as him, then you are living in the past. He's retiring very soon so you can stop worrying about him. Geddit?

I'm sorry if this sounds harsh but we can't stand by and let the same tired old crap rear its ugly head over and over again. This is a preemptive strike, made without insulting anyone. We can talk sensible politics without necessarily pretending that we always have to proceed as if we're walking over broken glass.