there has been many projections from both sides about the likely consequences of brexit . this is boring and polintless conjecture . as is raking over the past mistakes of the labour party or lies of the tories. (mind you , i havn't seen much comment on the tories' wholesale dumping of their relatively sensible wing) (sorry, must stop)

we could live in the moment and work out a way to restore our services, humanise our benefits system, end child poverty and foodbanks and protect workers' rights and the environment. all these things would be absolutely urgent matters for any decent government. must we still batter on about the side issue of brexit while failing to deal with the dying elephant in the room?

for now i'm still in the labour party and will decide who i want for the top jobs - is it too much to ask that people who have no interest in labour other to slag them off whenever possible - could just shut up and leave that decision to those who care about it - andhow we progress from this dire point for us and for the british countries