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Thread #167340   Message #4037801
Posted By: GUEST,Pseudonymous
05-Mar-20 - 11:06 PM
Thread Name: Mediation and its definition in folk music
Subject: RE: Mediation and its definition in folk music
@ Jim

You put:

' "unpopular as this may be, if ever a person was 'mediated' then that person was Walter Pardon,"
Rather late now, but it will be interesting to see id this will be substantiated in ny way tomorrow
Somehow, I doubt it'


1 There was a thread on Walter Pardon. It began with a post which listed articles and websites and films relating to him, and being, therefore, examples of his being mediated. Additional information was provided by some posters, including a doctoral thesis by David Hillery, which Steve Gardham and I both read. Relevantly, this thesis used the term 'mediation' in respect of 2nd wave revival song collectors. Given that one Jim Carroll was mentioned as such a collector it would appear that you might be one of the collectors included in the comments. I think that all this substantiates a view that Walter Pardon was mediated.

2 If you want to confuse a policeman ask him a question. Ha ha. What a wag you are! But here goes: what do you think the word 'disinterested' means? Confused?

3 You wrote, regarding the Pardon repertoire list that included 'The Yellow Rose of Texas: 'That's the Musical Traditions own listing, not Mike's You'll have to ask them'.

Once again we get muddle.

On the Musical Traditions web site you can find word for word the sleeve notes for a CD called 'Put a Bit of Powder on it, Father'. The top of the MUSTRAD page explains this. It says:

"As a service to those who may not wish to buy the records, or who might find the small print hard to read, we have reproduced the relevant contents of the CD booklet here."

The piece has an introduction by, guess who? Mike Yates. And what does he say? He says:

"Most of the recordings on this CD had been recorded either by Bill Leader or myself and I found that listening to Walter again brought back many memories of him. I also rediscovered pages of notes that I had made whilst talking to him, and these were used as the basis for my sleeve notes. But I was not able to incorporate all this material into the sleeve notes, and so I have selected and edited some of my notes into several of the sections which follow, in the booklet to this MT production: … "

He then lists the sections involved. These include the repertoire. Mike wrote the following about this section:

"The Walter Pardon Repertoire contains the titles of 182 songs we are aware that Walter knew. Details are given of which songs were issued on commercial recordings. Where the word 'tape' is shown after a song title, this indicates that an unissued recording is known to exist."