a few posts ago i put up reference to hopeful stuff to try to distract from the name calling and racist far-right stuff to move onto more productive and positive discussion. well, no real interest (that el salvador leader's speech is really good!) in that. i think there is the potential for a good forum here but Iain has just corrupted and deliberately degraded any such attempt . we've tried several different tactics -the mockery turnip. being my last one - i won't try again and will go back to my usual ignoring - though there are somethings a few of us will not ignore. really - we have tried but the moderators do feel compelled to keep him on despite everything - so we are stuck with him. in a new attempt - what about if we just posted in our real names. what about if we started with brief description of ourselves - i don't really like engaging with someone with no idea of who i'm talking to. while most of us are fairly open about this - the doubt persisits that at times we are dealing with some whose only identity is on a screen - so have no need for social niceties or give and take or any of the normal rules of a relationship, or group dynamics. while there is so much disinformation and fake news and hate speech online is it too much to ask that the mods could do a little bit to protect us from all that stuff - peace, love and understanding - pete. (any link to the slower nick lowe version of that song would be appreciated)