A further point Iains
Anybody who automatically dismisses a paper of the standing of The Guardian without presenting any evidence as you constantly do, yet relies as heavily as you do on a professional propagandist who employs people to gather his propaganda undermines any chance of his having own credibility accepted in discussions such as this
Nobody with any sense does this without offering back-up argument
I'm not making this as an insult - I'm offering it as a piece of advice
I share the views of those who believe that rational right-wing argument presented in a reasonable if not friendly manner would be a tremendous asset to this forum
As things stand, you don't begin to qualify - sorry
Jim Carroll