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Thread #30920   Message #404961
Posted By: McGrath of Harlow
23-Feb-01 - 07:50 PM
Thread Name: US/British planes fire on Iraq (closed)
Subject: RE: US/British planes fire on Iraq
A high-ranking Iraqi defector said that Saddam has two nukes and is working on a third." troll

If I was a high-ranking defector I think I might be inclined to say whatever I thought the people to whom I had defected wanted me to say, or would be most likely to keep them interested. So I would take that kind of statement with a large pinch of salt.

A country which sanctions the training and sending of individuals or groups of terrorists to place carbombs, JaCKpipebombs, bicycle bombs, donkeycart bombs, or indiscriminately kidnap and murder civilians ,or any young men and women in uniform - should be defined as a pariah state. Israel does not do this. Israel does send its soldiers and/or agents to take out (assassinate if you must)key terrorist figures. (Jack the Lad)

So far as I can see Israel does in fact meet those criteria you lay down for pariah status in that first sentence of yours in that quote from your post. The second sentence should surely have read "Israel does this."

Assassination is a policy openly sanctioned by the Israeli government, including the use of carbombs. Some of those who have been assassinated ("taken out" is a shabby euphemism in this context) have been involved in armed opposition to the Israeli occupation, others have not. At least one of those assassinated in the last couple of months was a man who had been actively involved in the peace process, and there were many friends of his in Israel who denounced the killing.

As for random victims of atrocities - I'm afraid many many Arab civilians have been killed in commando raids, bombings and shellings of one sort or another. Including the occasion the Israeli forces blitzed a Red Cross medical centre with hundred of civilians sheltering in it, in a village called Kana a few years back.

Atrocities do not justify atrocities, but every atrocity has a history. "The politics of the last atrocity" is one of the key mechanisms for keeping conflicts going on and on and on.

All this isn't saying Israel is worse than the rest of the world. Just that it should be judged according to the same criteria. Shoot-to-kill assassinations were criminal when the British did it in Ireland. Or the USA, or the Soviet Union in various other places...They are criminal when Israel does it in Palestine. If Pinochet and Milosevic should be put on trial for war crimes (and they should) so should Sharon.