Brian, many many thanks for this summary, and to Mike too. Obviously I have, and have read, your excellent work in the past but having it summarised like this is very appropriate to the discussion. As you know my work lies mainly in the songs themselves and their histories, but I am still very interested in the personalities.

I am looking closely at Grainger currently who is very much a minor player compared with the others, but one wonders if he would have gone on to do much more with the right encouragement. Instead he simply lost interest.