Thanks, the BBC page offered me a download (didn't say podcast) which worked fine and indeed I could have kept it if I'd wanted to hear again.
My mobile phone has buttons for apps but its is only kept in the car in case of breakdown. I am not attached to a phone as many are. Future generations will probably have something implanted.
iplayer used to work but Sounds doesn't so I've given up catching up on missed programmes. Missed it now means simply I've missed it. No problem.