I read over my post and I wasn't able to see where what I said could be read as saying the bull doesn't have feelings. I did notice though that I may very well have stretched our knowledge of what we know goes on in a fihting bull's consciousness by saying he doesn't have an awareness of death. If you said he did, I really couldn't argue with you for that.

Now let's see, what difference would it make if the bull won more often? Would the bull think it was a more fair fight?

It is true that the bull is defending himself and that is why he is being aggressive. In fact, that is what those blood lines going back for centuries have been designed to produce. I think that really points out the reason why the bull thinks he is winning.

Imagine the scene if bulls were timid and men with words chased them around a ring while a bloodthirsty audience cheered. Wouldn't that be significantly different?

I am not trying to convince kat or anyone else that she should love bullfighting or even like it but to agree hopefully that bullfighting as a moral issue falls somewhere into a continuum of grays.

It has been my experience that it is wonderfully freeing to feel as though I have gotten a grip on a moral certainty. In fact, it feels so good that I have to be careful that my belief really deserves that sort of certainty. Sometimes it does but sometimes I realize that there is validity in another's point of view. My opinion in that this is one of those cases.

. Sourdough