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Thread #13706   Message #4106474
Posted By: Gibb Sahib
18-May-21 - 04:29 AM
Thread Name: Origin: Soon May the Wellerman Come
Subject: RE: Origin: Soon May the Wellerman Come
Additional info / clarifications / corrections:

I now see that "John Smith, AB" was included in Colquhoun's 1965 anthology. If, as it's reported (from where?) he got "John Smith" and "Wellerman" from Frank Woods, and the meeting with Frank Woods was in 1966 or 1969, this would mean someone else was around to offer "John Smith" OR the reportage about Frank Woods is incorrect.

Michael Brown says that Phil Garland (a Colquhoun collaborator) had recorded "John Smith" in 1967. Yet he also notes that the 1972 anthology *says* it was collected from Frank Woods. That would necessitate the Woods interview being in 1966, while Brown's writing elsewhere implies to me that he subscribes to the 1969 date (?). Brown attributes authorship of "John Smith" jointly to DH Rogers and Colquhoun. It also appears as a poem in a 1906 collection. Brown confirms that "John Smith" was collected as an "oral recitation" by Colquhoun, not as a song, and that Colquhoun supplied a melody and turned it to a song. This all suggests that the attribution to Frank Woods is incorrect (unless Colquhoun interviewed him twice?) -- I still don't know who said Frank Woods learned both this song AND "Wellerman" from his uncle. If that was a mistake, then the attempt to trace "Wellerman" back as a partner of "John Smith" has no leg to stand on.

_Song of a Young Country_, the album, was released in December of 1971. "The Lightening Tree" charted at #36 in October 1971. The second/revised edition of Colquhoun's anthology was published in mid-1972.

Much more on Colquhoun's philosophy and practice are in Dr. Michael Brown's M.A. thesis of 2006, "‘There’s a Sound of Many Voices in the Camp and on the Track’: A Descriptive Analysis of Folk Music Collecting in New Zealand, 1955-1975"