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Thread #170032   Message #4111558
Posted By: GUEST,Observer
27-Jun-21 - 03:40 AM
Thread Name: The OBON song (One Britain One Nation)
Subject: RE: The OBON song (One Britain One Nation)
1. Scots on the whole see Scotland as a nation and not as a county like Yorkshire or Fife.

How people born in Scotland see Scotland does not alter the FACT, or the REALITY, that Scotland ceased to exist as an independent sovereign state in 1707 - Nothing can alter that apart from a legal referendum in which the electorate of Scotland votes for independence. They did hold such a referendum in 2014 in which 55% voted to remain as part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

As someone who lives in Scotland Alan I am sure that at some point or other you have visited or travelled through Fife and seen the signs welcoming you to "The Kingdom of Fife", I have never seen any such claim for Yorkshire, or any other county for that matter. Fife may, or may not, have been one of seven supposed Pictish sub-kingdoms in ancient times no-one can say one way or the other therefore Fife may never have been a kingdom at all - That for some reason or other doesn't stop "Fifers" referring to, and stating that they come from "The Kingdom of Fife" - Doesn't mean that Fife is a "Kingdom". However we do know that Scotland existed as a separate, independent sovereign realm between 1357 and 1707, it thereafter, along with the separate, independent sovereign realm of England, ceased to exist and a new state, the United Kingdom of Great Britain came into being.

2. Yes we are subdivided into regions within Scotland too but the nation as such is still recognised.

This "nation as such" you refer to is recognised by who exactly:

- The EU?
- The UN?
- The Commonwealth of Nations?
- The International Olympics Committee?
- The Passport Office?