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Thread #168430   Message #4112145
Posted By: Steve Shaw
02-Jul-21 - 06:18 PM
Thread Name: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
Subject: RE: BS: Brexit & other UK political topics
So marginalise the left (Kinnock couldn't manage it, John Smith probably wouldn't have, but Blair did it better), get yourself elected and be a Tory anyway. Not only did Blair massively enlarge the gap between rich and poor, not only did his thirteen years of light-touch regulation on the irresponsible financial institutions eventually give the Tories the go-ahead to visit years of miserable austerity on the poorest in the country, not only did his lies help to visit years of terrorism on this country, but he also heartily supported an idiotic administration in the US that shat on the Palestinians and advocated for a detestable Israeli regime. That's what happens when you'll do anything, anything at all, to get elected. That's why I'm extremely sceptical when the centre-right in Labour "calls for unity." I am still a member of the Labour Party, I want the party to return to its core values (not those that Starmer thought he was alluding to standing next to Kim today, but the real ones). If there's a lesson to be learned from our election defeats in 2010 and 2015, when the unity people in the party were calling the shots, it's that you do not convince the voters to support you if the only conviction you have is to be a Tory-camp-follower-but-with-a-conscience. That's why Keir Starmer will be trounced at the next election. By the way, my sister saw Jo Cox growing up, she's friends with her mum and she knows Kim. They are by no means Corbynites, that lot, but they are driven people who really do understand Labour's core values and who fight for their own communities. A bit more of that would be good. That's how you win. Today, Mandelson demonstrated precisely how we'll lose.

As for you, BWM, I don't respond to today's posts from you because I find them to be personal and offensive and completely off-beam. You might think that they are somehow heroic because they're from the hip, etc., but I'm afraid they don't do it for me. Maybe we will talk tomorrow.