Incidentally, Dick, I was the first to raise the killing of the MP (at 10.48am Mudcat time yesterday), and Dave responded, including a link with his post. There were several more mentions after that. So you pop up, what, seventeen hours later, complaining that we can't be "bothered" to discuss it. I could politely suggest that you should be "bothered" to read through the thread first before deciding to upbraid the rest of us...