Max, how can I refresh a thread if the refresh boxes are right on top of the Support the Mudcat button? For that matter, how can I support the mudcat if the secure server never responds when I click on its link? Without actually making the effort to get to the post office for a stamp to put on an envelope addressed to the 'cat, containing a check which I'd also have to make an effort to write (we're talking about major lazy slug here). Actually, I was about to copy something from an earlier post, had some difficultly doing so, lost my head, clicked the close box, left the Mudcat, and by the time I got back on, my thread, Missing Mudcat Blues, had dropped off the bottom of the threads list. --seed