Thanks, BlueJay. I think we're on the same page, politically speaking. My reason for the request is apparently different from what you thought, however. I have lived for quite some time around a number of "yuppy" types and conspicuous consumers for whom there is never "enough." The thread I was referring to gave some statistics about how most of the world actually lives (most don't have big houses, two cars, "expendable income," etc.). Living in a country where Nixon was re-elected at the height of the "conflict" in Vietnam, and where we could get 12 years of Reagan and George Sr., I have little hope for justice in American politics. A decent man like Jimmy Carter is reviled and a criminal like Nixon (not to mention other, more recent crooks), is seen as a venerable statesman! Heaven help us.