Good to know, and it rings a bell. I may have known and lost that piece of information decades ago.

Color me disappointed with Kohl's; I selected a pair of pants supposedly IN their store and ordered, then when I looked at the reply email - delivery to store between July 28 and August 3? Not gonna work for today's outing. I called and they weren't helpful, even when I pointed out that my selection was from their store's stock. I was trying to save myself having to trek around and try on stuff. Now I'll go revisit my closet and see if there is anything helpful but overlooked in there. I could probably sew something faster than that delivery.

And also, I give up on oranges for the rest of the year. The few I bought yesterday are also awful and also not navel oranges. They looked like it from the outside, but that's a clever trick, having the dimple but no wad of small sections. And full of seeds. It's almost apple season, and a good thing, too!