The ugly truth about abortion prior to it being legal over 50 years ago is the amateur abortion. Even in Roman times there were concoctions that could cause abortions. Sometimes they worked. In my case they didn't. I've mentioned it before to the cessation of discussion except for Jack Campin. Some of us have unusual beginings, some of us were never told. At any rate my prenatal experience reinforces the need for safe effective abortions.


Helen, As much as you would like it to be true you can't get empathy from a narcicist or social psychopath. The saying is you can't get blood from a stone. Unnoticed by the narcicist is that they take personally things totally unrelated them because everything is always about them in their mind. People with empathy can be offended or forgive or ignore. Ignoring is fine since there is no cure for who people are. Its only important to warn others to the 20% who are the social psychopaths of the possible dangers. They aren't all dangerous
outside their sphere of influence. But they are an annoyance at times. In my case I am a bit of a Loki when dealing with those types.