Man, this thread has gone down the toilet.

Steve Shaw, I must apologize to you. My presenting the case for mandatory vasectomies was proposed tongue in cheek - there is no way I would support any such action, no more than I would back anyone proposing forced closure of a female body's vagina, say. Either would be extreme to the max.

Incidentally, I don't consider you to be narcissistic or lacking empathy. I suspect that you are being attacked online in a way that they would never do in person. I may not always understand you or even always agree with your conclusions but I think that in person I would always respect the processes you apply.