Stout and Cider was a poor man's black velvet- Guinness and Champgne being the original. Snake bite was cider and bitter back in my day but more likely, bringing me back to the thread, cider and lager nowadays. Either way, many pubs refused to sell it because a) it was cloudy and made their beer look bad and b) it did your head in :-) My mate had his own version. Carlsberg special and White Lightening. Not sure what to call it apart from madness.