I've got plenty of compassion for farmers, thanks. I live on a farm, the farmers are my friends and I've seen their ups and downs for the last 35 years. Westcountry farmers are not the barley barons that exist up country. They are swept up, like the rest of us, by the tide of capitalism. Unfortunately, it's farming practices that have been detrimental to the environment almost more than anything else. And I find it slightly ironic that an Aussie can accuse me of being "all right Jack" when you live in a country that has been so dreadful, so complacent, when it comes to environmental depredations and even denial of climate change. Still scouring your wilderness in order to sell millions of tons of iron ore to China, are we? It's so easy to ascribe blatantly man-made disasters to nature. And for the second time I'd respectfully direct you to the thread title....