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Thread #172431   Message #4173505
Posted By: GUEST,Robert B. Waltz
31-May-23 - 04:10 AM
Thread Name: Origins: The Garden Gate
Subject: RE: Origins: The Garden Gate
Nick Dow wrote: The Ballad index suggests that TGG is the same song as The OLD Garden Gate, which it is not. The latter is a version of T Stands for Thomas or The Verdant Braes of Skreen. This may be found in numerous collections including 'Irish County Songs'. The McPeaks had the song. Skreen is short for Ballinascreen. The index refers to the RVW collection and Roy Palmer's selection. It is Roud 419 and has 136 entries.

The intent is certainly not to imply they're the same. :-) But things do get mis-filed. I will check the Palmer/RVW item.

Roud #418 is in the Ballad Index as "The Garden Gate"; #419 is "The False Young Man (The Rose in the Garden, As I Walked Out)." At least one RVW "Old Garden Gate" is in the Roud Index as #418, so it's not just me. :-)