I heard that NPR interview with David Kirkpatrick and found it similarly interesting. It is available in text here. The article headline and most of the interview was regarding some important background U.S. politics and the Middle East stuff comes up more than halfway down but it's easy to find and I haven't heard the specific subject come up anywhere else. When one interviews the 'evil enemy' one has to be careful, circumspect, and get one's journalistic ducks in a row. This was done well, and was most likely a lot harder than it appeared. First rate journalism which is still available in this era to those who care.

I had meant to mention a very good one hour special by PBS called "War in the Holy Land". Both good as a background article and a 'filler-in' article. Should be available over the internet or via their app.