Cassidy Hutchinson was on the Ari Melber program on MSNBC this evening - he timed it because today another network broke a story that former Chief of Staff Meadows was granted immunity by Jack Smith in that Washington, D.C. trial. Hutchinson plays her cards pretty close to the vest, not sharing information that isn't already out there (from the hearings or her book - there is still information that will probably never be shared publicly for security reasons) but she generally thinks it is past time for Meadows to come clean and cooperate.