We are probably better having that conversation by PM gillymor but I didn't want to just drop a message on you out of the blue. If you want to continue the Steve discussion feel free to drop me a note or we can just agree to disagree now:-)

Meanwhile, from the late, great Tommy Cooper

I went to the butchers the other day and I bet him 50 quid that he couldn’t reach the meat off the top shelf. He said, “No, the steaks are too high.”