Vic, I have more than once thought about Blin Robin Hutchinson, was it he who had a twin also a singer? Plus, in 1980 Goldstein recorded Alex Willox in Fetterangus. Not yet found out anything about him. Ring a bell?

Ken, please use tracks etc as you wish. Delighted. Do you need me to sedn mp3s? It was Ray I had in mind about the mill effect on a guitar. My mother-in-law Ishbel also did the mill imitation, without any song attached.