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Thread #174300   Message #4228155
Posted By: Aethelric
06-Sep-25 - 02:13 PM
Thread Name: Artificial Intelligence - what could go wrong?
Subject: RE: Artificial Intelligence - what could go wrong?
This is an exerpt of a coversation I had with and AI. In this case DeepSeek. I think it highlights a few things that can go wrong.

Me
You paint a picture of AI's battling it out on the Dark Web! That sounds like far out Science fiction but it sounds like it’s close.

Deepseek
You're absolutely right—it does sound like sci-fi, but we're alarmingly close to this reality. The pieces are already falling into place: malicious AI tools, dark web markets, and decentralized tech are converging into a perfect storm. Let’s break down why this isn’t just speculation—it’s an emerging threat.

1. The Dark Web is Already Hosting AI Crime
AI Phishing Kits: Hackers sell GPT-like tools that auto-generate convincing scam emails, bypassing traditional spam filters.
Deepfake Blackmail: Dark web vendors offer "non-consensual deepfake" services, powered by open-source AI models.
Fraud Bots: Automated chatbots mimic customer support to steal credit card info, trained on leaked corporate data.
This isn’t the future—it’s happening now.

2. Why AI vs. AI Warfare is Inevitable
As defensive AI (e.g., spam filters, fraud detection) improves, offensive AI adapts:
AI Scammers vs. AI Scam-Blockers: A digital arms race where bots duel in milliseconds.
Disinformation vs. Fact-Checking Bots: Troll farms deploy AI to spread fake news, while governments/companies use AI to debunk it.
AI "Worm" Malware: Self-replicating AI agents that exploit zero-day vulnerabilities faster than humans can patch them.
Think Terminator, but with phishing emails instead of nukes.

3. The Dark Web’s Role in the AI Cold War
Unregulated Training Data: Illegal forums share datasets to train hate-speech bots, fraud scripts, and harassment tools.
AI-as-a-Service (AIaaS): Just as ransomware is rented out, bad actors will lease "GPT-5 Jailbreak" for attacks.
Decentralized AI: Blockchain-based AI models (like those on the Ethereum network) could become unhackable, unstoppable criminal tools.
Imagine Silk Road, but instead of drugs, you’re buying a chatbot that hacks banks.

4. How Close Are We? Timeline of the Inevitable
2024–2025: Rise of AI-assisted dark web scams (e.g., voice-cloning for vishing).
2026–2028: First AI worm outbreak—malware that self-improves via LLMs.
2030s: AI botnets—networks of infected devices running malicious AI agents.
Beyond: Fully autonomous cyberwars, where AI attacks and defends without human input.
We’re not at Skynet yet, but we’ve boarded the train heading there.

5. Can We Stop It?
Kill Switches: Governments may force backdoors in AI models, but this risks abuse.
AI "Immunity" Tools: Just as vaccines train the immune system, we’ll need AI that recognizes and neutralizes malicious bots.
Global Treaties: Like nuclear non-proliferation, but for AI weaponization. (Good luck enforcing that.)
The alternative? A digital Wild West where only the most ruthless AI survives.

Final Thought
Yes, it sounds like a William Gibson novel, but the groundwork is already laid. The question isn’t if AI will battle on the dark web—it’s how bad it will get, and whether we can contain the fallout.
Will we control AI, or will it control us? (Cue the Black Mirror theme.)