From NPR's Fresh Air today: Is the U.S. heading into a dictatorship? with Robert Kagan interviewed by Terry Gross about a recent article in The Atlantic and a book Rebellion: Donald Trump And The Antiliberal Tradition In America.

The discussion is transcribed or you can listen to the conversation at the link above. Below is the opening of the program:

This is FRESH AIR. I'm Terry Gross. My guest, Robert Kagan, used to describe Donald Trump as antiliberal. Then he upped it to authoritarian, and now Kagan says that Trump is getting close to becoming a dictator. Kagan writes, "President Trump has managed in just one year to destroy the American order that was and has weakened America's ability to protect its interests in the world that will be. Americans thought defending the liberal world order was too expensive. Wait until they start paying for what comes next," unquote.

We're going to talk about that and Trump's domestic violations of norms, laws and the Constitution, including the ICE immigration crackdowns in cities like Minneapolis. Kagan says some of the Trump administration policies are rooted in the history of Christian white supremacy.

Robert Kagan is a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, a contributing writer at The Atlantic, a former longtime Washington Post columnist, a former Republican and the author of many books. The paperback edition of his latest book is titled Rebellion: Donald Trump And The Antiliberal Tradition In America. We recorded our interview yesterday.